2021 Class

[Chicagojayfan]

people working overtime to say its 100% cool not to get guys we wanted and top 150 rankings don't matter at all.

While we don't live or die by any one to two recruits, the pollyanna contortions are a sight to behold.

They hyperbolic "sky is falling" people are a sight to behold as well.

Here we are with the deepest, most talented, and most athletic roster we've ever had, and people are flipping out about us missing on a couple of top 150 guys, when we CLEARLY got an upgrade over one (Kalk > Murrell), got the guy we wanted with another (Mitchell > Hepburn) and got a transfer who is of similar size/role and was higher ranked for the other (A. Jones > Mors).

Sure, I wish we'd landed Mors, but the other two I won't lose a moment of sleep about

[jayball]

sky is not falling and we are not killing it.

Coaches are doing a decent job of cobbling together a roster that is competitive most years.

But we have an MIA assistant who used to be an ace recruiter for us and we have given a walkon a scholarship 3 years in a row.

If my read of the scholly matrix is correct we have 2 open spots in 2020 and 4 open spots in 2021. You'll have to color me skeptical until we see who else we can land.

[Chicagojayfan]

sky is not falling and we are not killing it.

Coaches are doing a decent job of cobbling together a roster that is competitive most years.

But we have an MIA assistant who used to be an ace recruiter for us and we have given a walkon a scholarship 3 years in a row.

If my read of the scholly matrix is correct we have 2 open spots in 2020 and 4 open spots in 2021. You'll have to color me skeptical until we see who else we can land.

You're welcome to be skeptical. We all have our opinions, but that doesn't imply that people who disagree with you are Pollyannas

[bluejayb13]

people working overtime to say its 100% cool not to get guys we wanted and top 150 rankings don't matter at all.

While we don't live or die by any one to two recruits, the pollyanna contortions are a sight to behold.

They hyperbolic "sky is falling" people are a sight to behold as well.

Here we are with the deepest, most talented, and most athletic roster we've ever had, and people are flipping out about us missing on a couple of top 150 guys, when we CLEARLY got an upgrade over one (Kalk > Murrell), got the guy we wanted with another (Mitchell > Hepburn) and got a transfer who is of similar size/role and was higher ranked for the other (A. Jones > Mors).

Sure, I wish we'd landed Mors, but the other two I won't lose a moment of sleep about

This is just nonsense.

"Kalk> Murrell"
-They don't play the same position. We still have two more open scholarships for 2020, getting one should not have pushed away the other.

"Mitchell> Hepburn"
- Mitchell will be a junior, or redshirt sophomore when Hepburn gets to college. I don't know Wisconsin's situation but I doubt he is going to be a plug and play guy immediately at that program.

"Jones> Mors"
-Jones will be a redshirt junior when Mors gets to college, and we lose Tyshon, Mitch, DJ, and Denzel. Plenty of PT to be had.

[bluejayb13]

sky is not falling and we are not killing it.

Coaches are doing a decent job of cobbling together a roster that is competitive most years.

But we have an MIA assistant who used to be an ace recruiter for us and we have given a walkon a scholarship 3 years in a row.

If my read of the scholly matrix is correct we have 2 open spots in 2020 and 4 open spots in 2021. You'll have to color me skeptical until we see who else we can land.

This is essentially how I view things as well. It is entirely possible that we land Walton and a grad transfer to fill out 2020, and snag Sallis and Bates in 2021. I am skeptical that will be the case because we don't have a history of nailing those top end guys, especially not enough to be passing on guys in the top 150.

[Chicagojayfan]

people working overtime to say its 100% cool not to get guys we wanted and top 150 rankings don't matter at all.

While we don't live or die by any one to two recruits, the pollyanna contortions are a sight to behold.

They hyperbolic "sky is falling" people are a sight to behold as well.

Here we are with the deepest, most talented, and most athletic roster we've ever had, and people are flipping out about us missing on a couple of top 150 guys, when we CLEARLY got an upgrade over one (Kalk > Murrell), got the guy we wanted with another (Mitchell > Hepburn) and got a transfer who is of similar size/role and was higher ranked for the other (A. Jones > Mors).

Sure, I wish we'd landed Mors, but the other two I won't lose a moment of sleep about

This is just nonsense.

"Kalk> Murrell"
-They don't play the same position. We still have two more open scholarships for 2020, getting one should not have pushed away the other.

"Mitchell> Hepburn"
- Mitchell will be a junior, or redshirt sophomore when Hepburn gets to college. I don't know Wisconsin's situation but I doubt he is going to be a plug and play guy immediately at that program.

"Jones> Mors"
-Jones will be a redshirt junior when Mors gets to college, and we lose Tyshon, Mitch, DJ, and Denzel. Plenty of PT to be had.

We could play Murrell with Kalkbrenner, and that would have been an option, but in our system, they ABSOLUTELY play the same position. Which one do you want?

We like Mitchell more than Hepburn, and it's clear by us not offering Hepburn until late that he wasn't exactly the top of our list. And Mitchell was 2019 with Hepburn 2021, and Hunter Sallis is considered a PG by many as well. Bottom line is that IF we considered Hepburn our PG of the future, we would have offered earlier.

Yes, there's playing time for Mors, but I'm pointing out that him not coming (and going to what was his "dream school") isn't leaving us bereft of players for the 3/4 position

[bluejayb13]

We wanted both Murell and Kalkbrenner. We just missed on one. Again, this weird narrative you are pushing of us passing on top 100 talent just isn't true. We wanted him.

The staff may very well like Mitchell more than Hepburn. You just pointed out they are two years apart...if Mitchell doesn't redshirt then he will have one year as a starter. Hepburn would have been his potential successor, not competitor.

The only two off guards/ wings we have for 2021 are Jones and Windham. The cupboard is very bare in that area for 2021.

[bluejayfan00]

1. Kalkbrenner and Murrell are completely different players, and they wouldn’t play the same spot, even in our system. RK is strictly a 5, Murrell is a 4 who could possibly play the 5 at some point.

2. Sallis isn’t a point guard and I haven’t seen him listed as such. I’ve seen “combo guard”, but it’s clear he is a scoring guard that doesn’t run the offense, especially at the next level.

We flat out missed on Hepburn and Murrell, AND Mors, who is also a completely different player than Jones who he keeps getting compared to for some reason..

We still could land a guy like Walton, and then Sallis in 2021. But, the 2020 and 2021 classes are massive for our future, with a minimum of 6 spots up for grabs in the two combined classes and all we have is RK. To think the staff wouldn’t love to be sitting in their offices right now with a combo of RK, Mors/Murrell and Hepburn just because we have Shareef Mitchell and Antwan Jones is nuts.

[HaRdWoOd]

Sallis is a wing and kid is going to be really really good at the college level. What is this idea that Creighton recruits the area better than anyone? Are we sure? Do we know this for a fact or is it speculation? We have P5 players leaving the state to play elsewhere. I get it. Cant get everyone. There are 1000 reasons why a kid would want to play elsewhere but maybe Creighton was late on identifying and building a relationship.

Here is what I do know. The local talent is on the rise and has been for a while. It doesnt matter where the players are coming from. Our peers are recruiting top 25 classes. In some cases top 10 or top 5 and if you arent matching that, you are falling behind.

[Trifecta]

1. Kalkbrenner and Murrell are completely different players, and they wouldn’t play the same spot, even in our system. RK is strictly a 5, Murrell is a 4 who could possibly play the 5 at some point.

2. Sallis isn’t a point guard and I haven’t seen him listed as such. I’ve seen “combo guard”, but it’s clear he is a scoring guard that doesn’t run the offense, especially at the next level.

We flat out missed on Hepburn and Murrell, AND Mors, who is also a completely different player than Jones who he keeps getting compared to for some reason..

We still could land a guy like Walton, and then Sallis in 2021. But, the 2020 and 2021 classes are massive for our future, with a minimum of 6 spots up for grabs in the two combined classes and all we have is RK. To think the staff wouldn’t love to be sitting in their offices right now with a combo of RK, Mors/Murrell and Hepburn just because we have Shareef Mitchell and Antwan Jones is nuts.

This. Also, there is a difference between the depth and "quality depth.". And depth at different positions. Having twelve guards/two frontcourt players isn't exactly the depth a roster needs.