2022 Transfer Thread

[LJay]

I’d rather college sports go away, than schools and the NCAA continue to use the labor of student athletes for their own benefit, without allowing athletes to make money from their talents. You know, like everyone else in the world, not controlled by the NCAA.

We probably should as a society, examine the reasons sports are even associated with colleges in today’s world. Maybe reset the model to something that will work for everyone.

And they will go away IMO. The super league of 30 schools will pay some kids big coin in time and the rest will wither away - Rick Johnson years anyone? Those today will make money the next few years. Then it will go away. It will be a bunch of GLeague like atmospheres with 800 in the stands and none of those kids will be making any NIL dough.

I would argue the kids get a free education out of it instead of being in debt for their degree but since debt is being forgiven as a matter of course today those athletic rides don’t have as much punch.

[go_jays]

I’d rather college sports go away, than schools and the NCAA continue to use the labor of student athletes for their own benefit, without allowing athletes to make money from their talents. You know, like everyone else in the world, not controlled by the NCAA.

We probably should as a society, examine the reasons sports are even associated with colleges in today’s world. Maybe reset the model to something that will work for everyone.

And they will go away IMO. The super league of 30 schools will pay some kids big coin in time and the rest will wither away - Rick Johnson years anyone? Those today will make money the next few years. Then it will go away. It will be a bunch of GLeague like atmospheres with 800 in the stands and none of those kids will be making any NIL dough.

I would argue the kids get a free education out of it instead of being in debt for their degree but since debt is being forgiven as a matter of course today those athletic rides don’t have as much punch.

Might be one of the best posts you've eve made.

There is some affinity to amateurism. You know... people who are willing to pay the price and rise above the rest because they have the fortitude to do so... underdog and all that. Otherwise, you have money... period.

[bird_call]

Somehow there were few ethical concerns that the top college basketball coaches in America make upwards of 2M and up to 10M per year while the athletes were unpaid.

Why does a star college athlete getting paid 8x median income bother guys so much more than a college coach getting paid 50x median income while his players are unpaid?

I think your ethical outrage is misplaced.

[taa71458]

Wichiturd has literally had all players who played any significant minutes except one enter the portal now. Fans are saying there has been little NIL from businesses and donors there and some kids have cited that is the reason they are leaving. They’re now talking about a NIL “collective” being created in the community to funnel NIL $ to the kids.

Wild, Wild West.

You think Koch would have enough money to buy the team considering he kept doing business with Russia.

[D Jay Fan]

Wouldn't the next step be paying high school kids. AAU team full of 500k seniors with the expectation of going tp 'my' college. Not in the 5 years but but too long from now

[LJay]

Somehow there were few ethical concerns that the top college basketball coaches in America make upwards of 2M and up to 10M per year while the athletes were unpaid.

Why does a star college athlete getting paid 8x median income bother guys so much more than a college coach getting paid 50x median income while his players are unpaid?

I think your ethical outrage is misplaced.

NIL is not a salary paid by the school, it is dollars funneled to kids by big money donors. CU has some of those but small universities don’t have the number of donors like the big universities. Small private schools will lose in this formula. Enjoy the recent success while you can.

[Chicagojayfan]

In Basketball it's pretty easy to find a market rate for the talent we see on college teams. The G-League exists and it's populated with former college stars who get paid nothing and who nobody cares to watch ---- so what does that tell us about the market rate for the talent that is provided by college players?

It tell us that market value for non-NBA talents who are at the high end of college basketball talent (NBA talents are a tiny percentage of the whole in college basketball) the market rate is quite low outside of the context of the College basketball framework, team loyalty, and college fanbases. Those fanbases have plenty of opportunity to see G-league teams, but those games don't even get high school team fan support.

So we have a symbiotic relationship between players and schools that needs to be effectively maintained in order for both parties to succeed. Maintaining a competitive structure is important for the system, and avoiding the appearance of running a professional sports team is also important. I suspect this is where the employment relationship discussion is coming from as well. I don't know exactly what that turns into, but I'm hopeful it will solve the potential problems that this can turn into in a year or two.

Neither the players or the schools want to be in a situation where the fans think that college BBall is just another non-NBA pro league in the US, because, quite bluntly, fans won't care.

[go_jays]

Another great post.

[bird_call]

Couple of replies about the "economics" and "market value" of players, and not a single reply on the ethical values of paying coaches 50x median income in a supposedly amateur sport. Do Creighton professors even make 2x median income?

As a reminder, ethics is the subject dealing with moral duty, obligation, and what is just and fair. I did not think that would need to be said on a Creighton board, but I have not kept up with core curriculum over the years.

[go_jays]

Somehow there were few ethical concerns that the top college basketball coaches in America make upwards of 2M and up to 10M per year while the athletes were unpaid.

Why does a star college athlete getting paid 8x median income bother guys so much more than a college coach getting paid 50x median income while his players are unpaid?

I think your ethical outrage is misplaced.

First of all... "ethical outrage"???? You are definitely one for drama aren't you.

Not sure if above is directed at me. If so...

Taken from an article that I will supply the link to. But below is the essence of it...

"As the TV ratings suggest, the NBA has a problem. Many of the league's issues- players pushing around franchises, the colossal amounts of guaranteed money, and the lack of importance of regular-season games- all came to light under League Commissioner Adam Silver’s watch. Nonetheless, all of the problems just mentioned contribute to the biggest issue of all for the league, which is its lack of competitive teams.'

"To begin to look at the issues the league currently faces, let’s look back on the years the league was extremely successful. The league flourished for the majority of commissioner David Stern’s tenure. Michael Jordan headlined Stern’s time at the helm with the greatest basketball career we have ever seen. His Airness battled heated rivals in the East- The Bad Boy Detroit Pistons and the New York Knicks pushed Jordan to his limits and increased the league’s worldwide influence. “The Last Dance” documentary that aired during the middle of the Covid-19 pandemic, showcased this in spectacular fashion and reminded NBA fans of what they have been missing since Jordan’s era."

"Stern also was not afraid to interject in league transactions. While controversial, Stern blocked the proposed deal between the Los Angeles Lakers, Houston Rockets, and New Orleans Hornets which would ultimately send All-Star PG Chris Paul to the Lakers in the winter of 2011. Sterns' idea of keeping a competitive balance in the league was essential to keeping the NBA competitive."

"I have never been one to be anti-money or anti-players getting paid for that matter. In fact, I am pro-player, and salute any guy who secures a bag that solidifies his future as well as his family’s. However, the NBA has gotten to a point where the amount of money that is being guaranteed around the league has negatively impacted the way players, teams and the league operates."

There is way more excellent insight into why the NBA is struggling. So here is a link to it if you are interested...

https://medium.com/basketball-universit ... 14403fc1e0

It's all about the money... and the lack of competitiveness because of it. College Basketball could go the same direction. I certainly hope not.