2021 Class

[vivid_dude]

People are getting awfully upset about not filling 2020 and 2021 scholarships. Isn’t that premature?

For context, only 49 of ESPN’s Top 100 have committed for 2020.

Nine of Rivals Top 150 have committed (granted, we lost out on two of those nine).

Feels like a lot of schools must be in similar positions as Creighton with so few players committing for the next two classes.

[mredle]

At the same time we just signed our primary target to fill our biggest need. This places us in a position to point to our strengths, while at the same time opening the door to players at virtually every position including 4/5 combinations. We've got a player that can erase defensive mistakes, will open the floor to penetrators, allow teammates to spread the floor and ignite the fast break and space on this team is available.

[bluejayb13]

People are getting awfully upset about not filling 2020 and 2021 scholarships. Isn’t that premature?

For context, only 49 of ESPN’s Top 100 have committed for 2020.

Nine of Rivals Top 150 have committed (granted, we lost out on two of those nine).

Feels like a lot of schools must be in similar positions as Creighton with so few players committing for the next two classes.

That is not what this discussion has been about. After missing out on 3 top targets recently, there were comments pushing that they were never really actually top targets, and they were intentionally passed on because we are aiming for better players. Myself and others have pushed back against that these players were passed on as the program would have gladly taken their commitments, they just missed.

[Chicagojayfan]

People are getting awfully upset about not filling 2020 and 2021 scholarships. Isn’t that premature?

For context, only 49 of ESPN’s Top 100 have committed for 2020.

Nine of Rivals Top 150 have committed (granted, we lost out on two of those nine).

Feels like a lot of schools must be in similar positions as Creighton with so few players committing for the next two classes.

That is not what this discussion has been about. After missing out on 3 top targets recently, there were comments pushing that they were never really actually top targets, and they were intentionally passed on because we are aiming for better players. Myself and others have pushed back against that these players were passed on as the program would have gladly taken their commitments, they just missed.

Unless you're talking about someone else, you haven't characterized my position correctly:

1. Mors - absolutely a top target for us. We recruited him a long time, but he since went to WI, the school he called his "dream school", Really not much we could have done differently there.

2. Chucky Hepburn - we were absolutely recruiting him, but to call him one of our top 3 targets for the year is vastly overstating things. If he had been one of our top targets we would have offered prior to the out of state schools, but we didn't and that's likely the biggest reason he went elsewhere.

3. Murrell - we wanted Murrell and after seeing his recent film, I could see why we offered him. We'd been watching him, but like everyone else offered when he blew up at the camp in KC as he was a late bloomer who really came on this summer. The argument that he would have played the 4 for us, is more wishful thinking than reality, IMO. He went to Stanford for academic reasons and not even the most ardent CU fan can debate that decision if academics was his priority


To summarize, we lost 2 players for reasons that are entirely outside of our control (it's recruiting and it happens no matter where they grew up).

The other we lost, most likely because we offered too late. I'm OK with that because we saw him more often than anyone else and we didn't feel fit to offer until we did. That should tell people a lot about where we put him on our internal rankings, not the arbitrary 247 composite list.

While Murrell is 2020, the others are 2021, and as I said way back at the beginning of this discussion, it's great that they made the decision now so that we aren't being strung along until the end. We can move on, and we are already moving on with Tamar Bates coming into Omaha this month (although that was already in motion prior to the decision by Mors and Hepburn)

[bluejayb13]

People are getting awfully upset about not filling 2020 and 2021 scholarships. Isn’t that premature?

For context, only 49 of ESPN’s Top 100 have committed for 2020.

Nine of Rivals Top 150 have committed (granted, we lost out on two of those nine).

Feels like a lot of schools must be in similar positions as Creighton with so few players committing for the next two classes.

That is not what this discussion has been about. After missing out on 3 top targets recently, there were comments pushing that they were never really actually top targets, and they were intentionally passed on because we are aiming for better players. Myself and others have pushed back against that these players were passed on as the program would have gladly taken their commitments, they just missed.

Unless you're talking about someone else, you haven't characterized my position correctly:

1. Mors - absolutely a top target for us. We recruited him a long time, but he since went to WI, the school he called his "dream school", Really not much we could have done differently there.

2. Chucky Hepburn - we were absolutely recruiting him, but to call him one of our top 3 targets for the year is vastly overstating things. If he had been one of our top targets we would have offered prior to the out of state schools, but we didn't and that's likely the biggest reason he went elsewhere.

3. Murrell - we wanted Murrell and after seeing his recent film, I could see why we offered him. We'd been watching him, but like everyone else offered when he blew up at the camp in KC as he was a late bloomer who really came on this summer. The argument that he would have played the 4 for us, is more wishful thinking than reality, IMO. He went to Stanford for academic reasons and not even the most ardent CU fan can debate that decision if academics was his priority


To summarize, we lost 2 players for reasons that are entirely outside of our control (it's recruiting and it happens no matter where they grew up).

The other we lost, most likely because we offered too late. I'm OK with that because we saw him more often than anyone else and we didn't feel fit to offer until we did. That should tell people a lot about where we put him on our internal rankings, not the arbitrary 247 composite list.

While Murrell is 2020, the others are 2021, and as I said way back at the beginning of this discussion, it's great that they made the decision now so that we aren't being strung along until the end. We can move on, and we are already moving on with Tamar Bates coming into Omaha this month (although that was already in motion prior to the decision by Mors and Hepburn)

I will disagree on being "late"on Hepburn. We were the same week as Minnesota and a couple behind Wisconsin. Nebraska offered him over a year before any of the other three. If that were his main factor, Nebraska would have had a huge lead on the other programs. As far as there being nothing more that can be done, I hope that is always the case.

There seems to be a big push back whenever rankings are used, except there is quite a strong correlation between those rankings and team success. I also see a lot of using them when it paints a pretty picture for us, as in the case of Kalkbrenner, and push whenever it doesn't,like with say a Windham or Mitchell.

My case is simply that missing out on these guys hurt. I believe the coaching staff would be incredibly happy to be in the same situation Wisconsin is in with Mors and Hepburn locked up. I do not have very high confidence that the 2021 class will bring more highly talented and recruited players than that of Mors or Hepburn. It sucks wasting recruiting time and resources on guys at or near the very top of your priority list and then losing out, especially when a couple of those players are in your own backyard.

[Chicagojayfan]

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Unless you're talking about someone else, you haven't characterized my position correctly:

1. Mors - absolutely a top target for us. We recruited him a long time, but he since went to WI, the school he called his "dream school", Really not much we could have done differently there.

2. Chucky Hepburn - we were absolutely recruiting him, but to call him one of our top 3 targets for the year is vastly overstating things. If he had been one of our top targets we would have offered prior to the out of state schools, but we didn't and that's likely the biggest reason he went elsewhere.

3. Murrell - we wanted Murrell and after seeing his recent film, I could see why we offered him. We'd been watching him, but like everyone else offered when he blew up at the camp in KC as he was a late bloomer who really came on this summer. The argument that he would have played the 4 for us, is more wishful thinking than reality, IMO. He went to Stanford for academic reasons and not even the most ardent CU fan can debate that decision if academics was his priority


To summarize, we lost 2 players for reasons that are entirely outside of our control (it's recruiting and it happens no matter where they grew up).

The other we lost, most likely because we offered too late. I'm OK with that because we saw him more often than anyone else and we didn't feel fit to offer until we did. That should tell people a lot about where we put him on our internal rankings, not the arbitrary 247 composite list.

While Murrell is 2020, the others are 2021, and as I said way back at the beginning of this discussion, it's great that they made the decision now so that we aren't being strung along until the end. We can move on, and we are already moving on with Tamar Bates coming into Omaha this month (although that was already in motion prior to the decision by Mors and Hepburn)

I will disagree on being "late"on Hepburn. We were the same week as Minnesota and a couple behind Wisconsin. Nebraska offered him over a year before any of the other three. If that were his main factor, Nebraska would have had a huge lead on the other programs. As far as there being nothing more that can be done, I hope that is always the case.

There seems to be a big push back whenever rankings are used, except there is quite a strong correlation between those rankings and team success. I also see a lot of using them when it paints a pretty picture for us, as in the case of Kalkbrenner, and push whenever it doesn't,like with say a Windham or Mitchell.

My case is simply that missing out on these guys hurt. I believe the coaching staff would be incredibly happy to be in the same situation Wisconsin is in with Mors and Hepburn locked up. I do not have very high confidence that the 2021 class will bring more highly talented and recruited players than that of Mors or Hepburn. It sucks wasting recruiting time and resources on guys at or near the very top of your priority list and then losing out, especially when a couple of those players are in your own backyard.

I'll push back a bit on being late. Everyone thought NU was too early - they jumped the gun in trying to land a local kid and make some inroads into Omaha. That said, it's different when we are the hometown team and we offer after multiple P5 out of state teams. We saw him all the time and he spent a lot of time on campus and apparently even said that we were his favorite team. Not offering until later was going to make this a problem. If it wasn't a deliberate slap in the face, I can see how he might take it that way.

Outside of Sallis who is possibly our #1 target now, this changes some things from a strategy perspective. Landing those 2 would have allowed us to take more chances and swing for the fences on the remaining scholarships, so I'm sure the coaches would have liked to land them. But this is early in the cycle and we can land a deep and full class -- especially if we get Sallis. Add someone like a Mason Miller and a Tamar Bates into the class and/or Josh Primo and we have a very good class.

[bluejayb13]

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Unless you're talking about someone else, you haven't characterized my position correctly:

1. Mors - absolutely a top target for us. We recruited him a long time, but he since went to WI, the school he called his "dream school", Really not much we could have done differently there.

2. Chucky Hepburn - we were absolutely recruiting him, but to call him one of our top 3 targets for the year is vastly overstating things. If he had been one of our top targets we would have offered prior to the out of state schools, but we didn't and that's likely the biggest reason he went elsewhere.

3. Murrell - we wanted Murrell and after seeing his recent film, I could see why we offered him. We'd been watching him, but like everyone else offered when he blew up at the camp in KC as he was a late bloomer who really came on this summer. The argument that he would have played the 4 for us, is more wishful thinking than reality, IMO. He went to Stanford for academic reasons and not even the most ardent CU fan can debate that decision if academics was his priority


To summarize, we lost 2 players for reasons that are entirely outside of our control (it's recruiting and it happens no matter where they grew up).

The other we lost, most likely because we offered too late. I'm OK with that because we saw him more often than anyone else and we didn't feel fit to offer until we did. That should tell people a lot about where we put him on our internal rankings, not the arbitrary 247 composite list.

While Murrell is 2020, the others are 2021, and as I said way back at the beginning of this discussion, it's great that they made the decision now so that we aren't being strung along until the end. We can move on, and we are already moving on with Tamar Bates coming into Omaha this month (although that was already in motion prior to the decision by Mors and Hepburn)

I will disagree on being "late"on Hepburn. We were the same week as Minnesota and a couple behind Wisconsin. Nebraska offered him over a year before any of the other three. If that were his main factor, Nebraska would have had a huge lead on the other programs. As far as there being nothing more that can be done, I hope that is always the case.

There seems to be a big push back whenever rankings are used, except there is quite a strong correlation between those rankings and team success. I also see a lot of using them when it paints a pretty picture for us, as in the case of Kalkbrenner, and push whenever it doesn't,like with say a Windham or Mitchell.

My case is simply that missing out on these guys hurt. I believe the coaching staff would be incredibly happy to be in the same situation Wisconsin is in with Mors and Hepburn locked up. I do not have very high confidence that the 2021 class will bring more highly talented and recruited players than that of Mors or Hepburn. It sucks wasting recruiting time and resources on guys at or near the very top of your priority list and then losing out, especially when a couple of those players are in your own backyard.

I'll push back a bit on being late. Everyone thought NU was too early - they jumped the gun in trying to land a local kid and make some inroads into Omaha. That said, it's different when we are the hometown team and we offer after multiple P5 out of state teams. We saw him all the time and he spent a lot of time on campus and apparently even said that we were his favorite team. Not offering until later was going to make this a problem. If it wasn't a deliberate slap in the face, I can see how he might take it that way.

Outside of Sallis who is possibly our #1 target now, this changes some things from a strategy perspective. Landing those 2 would have allowed us to take more chances and swing for the fences on the remaining scholarships, so I'm sure the coaches would have liked to land them. But this is early in the cycle and we can land a deep and full class -- especially if we get Sallis. Add someone like a Mason Miller and a Tamar Bates into the class and/or Josh Primo and we have a very good class.

Unfortunately Sallis and Primo are pretty likely to receive high major offers from the type of schools it has been mentioned on here that we cannot compete with. Miller is going to be incredibly hard to lure away from Memphis. Bates is a priority and hopefully we can snag him, but after that the only names I have seen thrown around are Jaylon Moses and Chase Courbat. Moses has a lot of programs waiting and seeing how he responds coming off injury though. That is currently 6 targets, 4 spots. Three of those would be the highest ranked recruit in program history if any one of them signed. More than likely we are going to need the transfer market to fill a couple spots.

[Altman's Advisor]

My case is simply that missing out on these guys hurt. I believe the coaching staff would be incredibly happy to be in the same situation Wisconsin is in with Mors and Hepburn locked up.

I’m not going to trash players on here, but I can say with 100% certainty that this is not accurate.

[bluejayb13]

My case is simply that missing out on these guys hurt. I believe the coaching staff would be incredibly happy to be in the same situation Wisconsin is in with Mors and Hepburn locked up.

I’m not going to trash players on here, but I can say with 100% certainty that this is not accurate.

Ah, so we are back to the 'we never really wanted these two' narrative.

[Altman's Advisor]

My case is simply that missing out on these guys hurt. I believe the coaching staff would be incredibly happy to be in the same situation Wisconsin is in with Mors and Hepburn locked up.

I’m not going to trash players on here, but I can say with 100% certainty that this is not accurate.

Ah, so we are back to the 'we never really wanted these two' narrative.

That’s not what I said, so feel free to not be a douchebag just because you have too much pride to accept an opposing point of view.