St John’s game2

[jays911]

Did not get to watch the a game today, but two stats jump out at me:

outscored in second chance points 20-14
More astounding, outscored in points off turnovers 20-2. Yes, by 18 points.

St. John’s scored 76 points. Over half of those were second chance or points off turnovers. IMO, we cant blame missed foul calls on shooting when we gave up 40 points in 2nd chance points and points off turnovers. Cut those in half and we win going away. This team can only make a splash in March if the guys decide to value the ball (“Simple plays, fellas”, to quote a former coach), and dedicate themselves to getting every defensive rebound.

You did not watch the game. Here is another stat. We played 5 on 8 again. This game was fixed. The Big East wants ratings.

[KenoshaJay]

Did not get to watch the a game today, but two stats jump out at me:

outscored in second chance points 20-14
More astounding, outscored in points off turnovers 20-2. Yes, by 18 points.

St. John’s scored 76 points. Over half of those were second chance or points off turnovers. IMO, we cant blame missed foul calls on shooting when we gave up 40 points in 2nd chance points and points off turnovers. Cut those in half and we win going away. This team can only make a splash in March if the guys decide to value the ball (“Simple plays, fellas”, to quote a former coach), and dedicate themselves to getting every defensive rebound.

You did not watch the game. Here is another stat. We played 5 on 8 again. This game was fixed. The Big East wants ratings.

Bingo.

[wildjays]

The possession battle doomed Creighton Men's Basketball Luckily, Ryan Kalkbrenner is okay from his fall, and the Bluejays now get ready for the stretch run.

Matt DeMarinis reports from NYC.

https://whiteandbluereview.com/possessi ... -st-johns/

[cufan10]

Do Schools still send tape to conference offices of missed calls, if so Creighton could have sent a lot from yesterday. You are going to get on the wrong end of some 50/50 calls it happens, it is the blatant bad calls and no-calls that are the problem. It seemed like the strong majority of those were in favor of St.Johns.

The Ashworth "block" for example if that is not a charge I do not know what is anymore. Also, the maddening inconsistency like Ty Davis being called for a pushoff and I think the very next play St.Johns doing the same if not more of a pushoff and no call. Also, I think replay reviews need tweaking if it takes 5 minutes of staring at a monitor then it should be like football inconclusive call stands. I suspect that was Mac's point to the ref on the out-of-bounds overturn. When even the announcers are pointing out a number of fouls that should have been called you have a problem. A battle for first in mid-February you want to be well officiated and I think the refs fell far short of that and the conference should not be happy with that and strive for a higher standard. At a bare minimum you at least need consistency.

[drbluejay]

The obvious choice for standout player of the game would be either Ash or Neal but I give the award to Green. Green has been coming on lately and his minutes yesterday showed it. I'm wondering if Kalk and Ash are still feeling the effects of illness, especially Kalk.
I think the Jays have won 13 out of their last 14 games by the points after beating the spread by 1/2 point.

[Trifecta]

I'm one of the most anti - "whine about the refs" guys out there. But these last two games were headscratchers. Maybe not UConn as much, but SJU was just blatantly allowed to hack, hold, hook, and everything else under the sun. From an officiating standpoint, it was the most egregiously inconsistent game I can remember since SDSU in the Elite Eight.

It really reminded me of the Valley days when SIU just mugged teams up and down the court and dared the refs to blow the whistle. But the difference between those SIU teams and some of the vintage SDSU teams is that you could still see sound defensive principles...the football on hardwood just allowed them to ratchet it up. This SJU team relies on a favorable whistle and their length/athleticism to bail them out.

Maybe it's just sour grapes...pressure teams can be had if you break their press and get them to overextend. I think if we had just another Neal-type player on the roster, or some more size to make entry passes, we'd have no problem with them. Of course, making open shots would've helped too...

I think the Johnnies have early exit written all over them. The tournament is about matchups, but if they run into a team that can match their athleticism and length then they are in trouble. They can't shoot (except when playing us), miss a ton of FTs, and will find some ref other than BOC that will blow the whistle. They feast on us because of the drop coverage but a team with different defensive philosophies could expose them. But they have Pitino so you can never count him out.

[cu8493]

Did not get to watch the a game today, but two stats jump out at me:

outscored in second chance points 20-14
More astounding, outscored in points off turnovers 20-2. Yes, by 18 points.

St. John’s scored 76 points. Over half of those were second chance or points off turnovers. IMO, we cant blame missed foul calls on shooting when we gave up 40 points in 2nd chance points and points off turnovers. Cut those in half and we win going away. This team can only make a splash in March if the guys decide to value the ball (“Simple plays, fellas”, to quote a former coach), and dedicate themselves to getting every defensive rebound.

You did not watch the game. Here is another stat. We played 5 on 8 again. This game was fixed. The Big East wants ratings.

No, but I have watched almost every other game this year. The majority of our turnovers do not result from fouls that should have been called, and we allow way too many offensive rebounds that do not result from uncalled fouls. The only complaints of uncalled fouls I see from yesterday's game related to shooting, not causing TOs or offensive rebounds. I accept what you say about officiating, but I doubt it had much to do with getting outscored 20-2 off of turnovers. Unforced turnovers and inability to consistently block on the defensive end are this team's achilles heel. I am not arguing against the assertion that we likeley win had they called those fouls that should have been called. What I am saying is that even if the game was poorly officiated (which I am not arguing against) there were things the team could have controlled yesterday that would likely have resulted in a win notwithstanding officiating. That's all.

[JaysLifer]

Did not get to watch the a game today, but two stats jump out at me:

outscored in second chance points 20-14
More astounding, outscored in points off turnovers 20-2. Yes, by 18 points.

St. John’s scored 76 points. Over half of those were second chance or points off turnovers. IMO, we cant blame missed foul calls on shooting when we gave up 40 points in 2nd chance points and points off turnovers. Cut those in half and we win going away. This team can only make a splash in March if the guys decide to value the ball (“Simple plays, fellas”, to quote a former coach), and dedicate themselves to getting every defensive rebound.

You did not watch the game. Here is another stat. We played 5 on 8 again. This game was fixed. The Big East wants ratings.

No, but I have watched almost every other game this year. The majority of our turnovers do not result from fouls that should have been called, and we allow way too many offensive rebounds that do not result from uncalled fouls. The only complaints of uncalled fouls I see from yesterday's game related to shooting, not causing TOs or offensive rebounds. I accept what you say about officiating, but I doubt it had much to do with getting outscored 20-2 off of turnovers. Unforced turnovers and inability to consistently block on the defensive end are this team's achilles heel. I am not arguing against the assertion that we likeley win had they called those fouls that should have been called. What I am saying is that even if the game was poorly officiated (which I am not arguing against) there were things the team could have controlled yesterday that would likely have resulted in a win notwithstanding officiating. That's all.

I admire your confidence in the face of what you admit is complete ignorance. Maybe watch the game before reaching conclusions about how the game went yesterday and then arguing with people about what they saw with their own eyes.

[Trifecta]

Did not get to watch the a game today, but two stats jump out at me:

outscored in second chance points 20-14
More astounding, outscored in points off turnovers 20-2. Yes, by 18 points.

St. John’s scored 76 points. Over half of those were second chance or points off turnovers. IMO, we cant blame missed foul calls on shooting when we gave up 40 points in 2nd chance points and points off turnovers. Cut those in half and we win going away. This team can only make a splash in March if the guys decide to value the ball (“Simple plays, fellas”, to quote a former coach), and dedicate themselves to getting every defensive rebound.

You did not watch the game. Here is another stat. We played 5 on 8 again. This game was fixed. The Big East wants ratings.

No, but I have watched almost every other game this year. The majority of our turnovers do not result from fouls that should have been called, and we allow way too many offensive rebounds that do not result from uncalled fouls. The only complaints of uncalled fouls I see from yesterday's game related to shooting, not causing TOs or offensive rebounds. I accept what you say about officiating, but I doubt it had much to do with getting outscored 20-2 off of turnovers. Unforced turnovers and inability to consistently block on the defensive end are this team's achilles heel. I am not arguing against the assertion that we likeley win had they called those fouls that should have been called. What I am saying is that even if the game was poorly officiated (which I am not arguing against) there were things the team could have controlled yesterday that would likely have resulted in a win notwithstanding officiating. That's all.

Some things could be controlled on our end, which would've helped us win the game. There were also missed calls (yes, some impacting rebounding and turnovers a bit also). Both can be true. But I get your point.

I'm just sick to think that our losses against SJU, UConn, and MU all were games I walked away from thinking we should have won. And all games where we blew significant leads.

[HaRdWoOd]

Stop whining about the refs. Its embarrassing.