2020 Transfers

[Jet915]

We’ve reached out to Monmouth grad transfer Ray Salnave. 6’3 205. Averaged 14.5 and 1.5 steals. 36% from 3.

Definitely fits a need at the guard position. We need another guard who can play next year.

[Jaysfan100]

We’ve reached out to Monmouth grad transfer Ray Salnave. 6’3 205. Averaged 14.5 and 1.5 steals. 36% from 3.

Definitely fits a need at the guard position. We need another guard who can play next year.

seems like a decent back up player. Can get to the free throw line so he may have a good drive and the rest of the stats seem to show he's a smart player. He shoots a lot of 3's meaning he can hit them just needs some mac coaching and ball movement to hit them?

But we will see other grad transfers the next few days as well I hope mac doesn't just pick one up to pick one up. But instead picks up a good one that can help and won't just sit on the bench doing nothing and providing nothing.

[Jet915]

I think the next domino is Walton. If he passes then it's on to the grad transfer route.

[REALITY]

You're missing my point. Consider how many targets we whiffed on that led us to recruit the guys you just listed. Ayo Dosunmu and Tyger Campbell were our first couple options at PG; we got Marcus. Same with Filip Petrusev, A.J. Lawson, Swider (though he might have been an OK miss) at the forward/wing spot; we landed Denzel. The only recruits who appear to be our first choice were Bishop and AOC, if you take him at his word.
Yes, Marcus, Christian, and Denzel have been quite successful, but how long do you think we can get lucky with our third, fourth, and even the occasional fifth options and be able to compete in the BE? Remember, our first and second options are generally top 100 4 star frosh or top mid-major transfers, with an occasional periphery 5 star in there, so when you miss you're moving down to 3 star level frosh outside the top 150, less-desired transfers like Damien (who has turned out really well all things considered), and grad transfers to plug holes for a season. Miss on those and you're left with clear cut mid-major level players who you might get lucky with or else they'll be out the door after one season (see Windham, Marlon Stewart, Paras). And two bad class is all it takes to miss multiple NCAA tournaments.
Finally, let us not forget that for the last few years we've been giving a walk-on a scholarship instead of an actual major player. So no, forgive me if our recruiting recently doesn't make me "comfortable."

Missing out on Tyger Campbell and Ayo Dosunmu and landing Marcus Zegarowski is exactly how recruiting works. You're going to miss out on far more players that you offer than you land. The way you're looking at it can only lead to disappointment.

Yes, it is how it works. And you can expect to miss on most, but we need to be able to hit on at least some of our top targets. Who did we build our most recent two teams around? 4 star guys who were clearly our top options - TSA and Mitch. The Marcus, Froling, Bishop 2018 class that followed had another 4 star, top 150 F and a 3/4 star guard that wasn't our first choice but has well outplayed his ranking, plus we got Denzel, too. It's the 2018 and 2019 classes thus far that are underwhelming. And now with Ty out the door, we absolutely can't come up empty. With Marcus and the seniors gone after this season, we need to hit on our top options to build our future around.

Should the staff be penalized for identifying Jeremiah Robinson-Earl's potential and offering him before anyone else, before he established himself as a 5-star who would have his pick of blue blood schools? Does that count as a "miss" for the staff? Or should it be proof of their ability to evaluate talent? Because that ability is how Mac has been able to build two top-10 teams in the last four years (with the potential for a third next season).

Of course not. And you know that's not what I meant. There's a reason why he wasn't mentioned - we didn't spend the time and resources on him that we did the other misses I mentioned.
To me, getting on guys early isn't particularly impressive scouting and it doesn't guarantee results. Look at how many players we've been involved early with an offer with who we didn't even make the cut with (i.e. Cockburn, Zeke Nnaji, Courtney Ramey, etc.) or missed on (i.e. Mors). I get it's necessary to try to land a Ballock, though, since we aren't a blueblood, so there isn't much choice.

The staff's hit rate in recruiting has been more than high enough to build good teams that can compete in the Big East. Until they strike out in 2021 there's no reason to assume they're going to do so.

Again, please look at 2018 and 2019 so far. That's striking out right there. But they have time to more than make up if they can land a Kerwin Walton or another impact transfer to add to Kalkbrenner and AOC. Remember, this isn't about building for now. We just need another guard for next year. This is for when Mitch, Denzel, Damien, and Marcus inevitably leave (hopefully after a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 run). Unless Antwann is incredible or Kalkbrenner turns out to be a potential lottery pick (think about how many true centers has Mac really built our teams around?) I don't see anyone on the roster right now who we can build a team around in 2022 and beyond.

100% agree with Jacob. Another way to say the same thing is to think about the numbers. Think of the top 150 recruits. How many, on average, should Creighton get? The top 10 blue bloods probably grab 40-50 of them. Most likely only the next top 50 schools battle for the remaining 100 or so. So, if we get 2 we are doing good. 3 would be great. But we will go after about 20 of them. So is landing 2 out of 20 targets crappy? No, it’s completely normal. Have some perspective.

I agree with all that you're saying. Reiterating my point, going forward, we need to land 2 or so of our top targets to build around. But we haven't been able to even do that recently with the exception of maybe AOC (who is, with all due respect, a one-year band-aid) and Kalkbrenner. And if we don't this summer or fall with transfers or class of 2021, we're relying on lower level of talent to try to produce for us what TSA and Mitch did for the next 3-4 years. I don't like our chances in that gamble.

[vivid_dude]

North Carolina’s talented (previous 4-star) freshman PG Jeremiah Francis is transferring. I hope we show interest. He’s a player.

[Alphawalt]

North Carolina’s talented (previous 4-star) freshman PG Jeremiah Francis is transferring. I hope we show interest. He’s a player.

Pursuing Francis would be good. CU is on the cusp of greatness, and getting closer to the blue bloods. When I was at school at CU and we were in the MVC, I could only dream: we battle for recruits with the likes of Kansas, North Carolina and Arizona; we sign a transfer from Duke; a player leaves because of not enough playing time and signs with Kentucky. Not a bad time to be a Jays fan.

[JacobPadilla]

The 2018 class looks pretty good to me. Did you mean 2019 and 2020?

In 2019, they landed a transfer who will play a big role next season, a home-town developmental point guard prospect and a lottery ticket in Windham that didn't end up being anything.

In 2020, they landed the highest-rated recruit in program history (depending on what service you look at) at a position of need, a perfect fit transfer and they're still working to fill out the class.

Creighton is not going to land three or four top-100 recruits every year. And judging by "top target" is weird to me because we have no idea what the coaches' board looks like or how they feel about their chances with each guy on there (outside of the brief tidbits they feed the media). Missing out on Ayo Dosunmu and landing Marcus Zegarowski worked out just fine for Creighton.

The recruiting the last two classes has been fine for where Creighton's roster is and what the Jays needed. They weren't home run classes by any means, but they didn't absolutely have to be. If they strike out on getting someone who can contribute with the three remaining 2020 spots and don't get any core pieces/instant impact guys in 2021, then we're in rouble. But for better or worse, Mac's not going to sell a recruit a bill of goods - he's going to be up front with them about expectations and opportunity and Creighton hasn't had a ton of opportunity to offer the last class or two. That won't be the case in 2021.

Would it be preferable to get a couple of surefire 4-star guys to develop this year and have ready to take over in 2021? Sure. But kids want to play right away, especially blue chip talent, and the kind of player that would be able to take minutes away from the guys they have coming back probably isn't considering Creighton in the first place.

If the transfer rule passes for next season, Creighton should be in position to land one of the top guys on the market to be an immediate impact guy, supplementing Jones, O'Connell, Kalkbrenner, Bishop, Epperson, and Mitchell. They'll have immediate playing time to offer some of the top high school players on their board as well. Right now, 2021 is probably going to be a step back from this year and what next year can be, but Creighton isn't a top-10 program; they're not going to be there every year. If they bring in some talented young guys who take their lumps as freshmen and make a difference as a sophomore, I won't be mad at that.

Creighton absolutely could be in a tough spot after Mitch's class graduates. But I'm not going to worry about that unless and until they strike out in 2021 because I don't consider the last two classes striking out at all.

[JacobPadilla]

North Carolina’s talented (previous 4-star) freshman PG Jeremiah Francis is transferring. I hope we show interest. He’s a player.

Pursuing Francis would be good. CU is on the cusp of greatness, and getting closer to the blue bloods. When I was at school at CU and we were in the MVC, I could only dream: we battle for recruits with the likes of Kansas, North Carolina and Arizona; we sign a transfer from Duke; a player leaves because of not enough playing time and signs with Kentucky. Not a bad time to be a Jays fan.

The question is whether or not he still has the juice to be a high-major difference-maker after the injuries he's suffered. The staff would have to do their due diligence there because he obviously has some tools that made him a 4-star recruit, but he was really bad in the playing time he got this year (like, 22.7% from the field bad).

[gtmoBlue]

AOC makes CBS' top 10 transfers list... #10

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... ing-cycle/

[cu8493]

SAIP -- According to OWH, Ed Chang to Missouri. Transferred out of SDSU. Other reported offers were Eastern Michigan, Cal Ply, Coastal Carolina and SIU-Edwardsville. I know we had no interest (or assume that is the case), but local interest in any event.